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by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:56 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

To Qimmik, Yes, that's right, it was Danish. I wrote rather hastily and got it wrong. I remember reading about Norwegian students going through the countryside during the early 19th century and studying the speech of remote Norwegian peasants in order to recover the Norwegian language and develop a ...
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:35 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

Miguel, Just by happenstance, I am listening to a podcast series called 'History of Byzantium', and episode 41, which I just got around to listening to last night, is entitled 'Who Is A Byzantine'. It gives some detail that will help you understand how the whole Classical Greek-Byzantine Roman ident...
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:08 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

Miguel, this is an issue that I read about a long time ago, and I cannot now give you a good source. I wish I could. It has always been interesting to me how, all these centuries after 1453, when a Greek meets another Greek somewhere outside of Greece, he will (at least some of them will, anyway) id...
by Jefferson Cicero
Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:02 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

Thank you very much, Scribo. I will check out Horrock and the Blackwell Companion. I wasn't aware of that purging of Icelandic, but it is very interesting. It brings to mind some of the changes that were introduced into Dutch and Norwegian in the early 20th century, but I don't know that much about ...
by Jefferson Cicero
Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:46 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

Actually, I wasn't assuming any such thing. Perhaps my question was misleading in the way that it was worded so that one might assume that I thought a parallel case existed, but then you can't always think of everything when you ask a question. Well a certain single-mindedness was evident in the th...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:52 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

Scribo, I said that the Greek language had changed that slowly because I had read it years ago in a book written by a linguist sometime during the late 30's or early 40's, and had seen it repeated elsewhere since then, in books and on the internet, but not on websites connected with Greek nationalis...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:30 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

I would have bet on Phoenician because at least it was alphabetical. Your argument seems to be that since the Romans studied Greek, a parallel phenomenon almost certainly occurred with the Greeks, and they likewise studied some foreign language with a longer history than their own. Wouldn't it be m...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:07 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

Re: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

Thank you, Scibo. Actually, I wasn't overestimating the number, as I was aware that it was mostly elites who got what we might call a formal education, and I'm not sure that it would have been all that formal in the modern sense anyway. The first element of your answer is something that I had alread...
by Jefferson Cicero
Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:51 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?
Replies: 30
Views: 21851

What Language Was Latin For The Greeks?

As everyone knows, for centuries in the post-Roman West, the study of Latin grammar was considered essential as the foundation of the Seven Liberal Arts. Of course it is unnecessary to go into the detail of why, except to say that the study of a foreign language was considered necessary in order for...
by Jefferson Cicero
Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Mediaeval Greek
Replies: 2
Views: 1966

Mediaeval Greek

This is more of a curiosity than anything else, but are there any guides to the study of Mediaeval (or Byzantine) Greek? Of course I don't intend to study it in any detail, especially since learning Attic is enough of a task as it is, but it would be nice to know the differences between that form of...
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Traditional Second Year Greek Text
Replies: 25
Views: 11336

Re: Traditional Second Year Greek Text

Thanks again for all the replies. I am certainly going to look at the alternatives all of you have given. I can see why Lucian or Lysias might be as good or better than Anabasis for a second year text, and I had already been wondering if Herodotus might be. The Perseus texts are wonderful! I'll defi...
by Jefferson Cicero
Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Traditional Second Year Greek Text
Replies: 25
Views: 11336

Re: Traditional Second Year Greek Text

Thank you, everyone, for your answers and suggestions. I think I'll try the Loeb edition of the Anabasis, and I'll certainly download those Bedwere audio files. If the Loeb proves too difficult at first, then I'll get the Easy Selections and then move on to the Loeb. I wanted to know if the Anabasis...
by Jefferson Cicero
Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Traditional Second Year Greek Text
Replies: 25
Views: 11336

Traditional Second Year Greek Text

Traditionally, Latin students in America used to read Caesar's Gallic Wars in their second year. What text was used in second year Greek? I seem to remember hearing somewhere that it was Xenophon's Anabasis. Is that correct?
by Jefferson Cicero
Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin names for states, provinces and regions
Replies: 12
Views: 12084

Re: Latin names for states, provinces and regions

Thank you again, Bedwere! I had no idea this even existed. It looks like there will be no need for researching provincial names now. Perhaps regional names may still need to be worked out.

I really can't over-emphasize how great these volumes are!
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin names for states, provinces and regions
Replies: 12
Views: 12084

Re: Latin names for states, provinces and regions

Thank you both, Chad and Bedwere!

Just what I was looking for, and it's also affordable!
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin names for states, provinces and regions
Replies: 12
Views: 12084

Re: Latin names for states, provinces and regions

Thanks for the reply, Ptolemyauletes. Your regional divisions are basically what I was thinking based on what little I knew , and what I might have said if I had known enough about Canada to to be more confident of my own judgement. Surely the provinces must already have Latin names, but I never cou...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin names for states, provinces and regions
Replies: 12
Views: 12084

Re: Latin names for states, provinces and regions

Salve, Siaphanus! I never expected a reply from anyone, so it's nice to hear from you. I have a question. I'm not really all that knowledgeable about Canada or it's history, since I am a product of an American public school system which keeps most Americans ignorant of their own history, never mind ...
by Jefferson Cicero
Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:29 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin names for states, provinces and regions
Replies: 12
Views: 12084

Re: Latin names for states, provinces and regions

This is a long dead topic, one I forgot about long ago. But a few months ago, when reading about a subject completely unrelated to this topic, I came across a couple possible names for American regions which might work, and then it took months for me to remember this topic here at the Textkit forum....
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:49 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Aeolic Order of Architecture
Replies: 1
Views: 2569

Aeolic Order of Architecture

Hello, I have been interested lately in Greek and Roman Architecture, and having come across a fabulous video podcast course on Roman architecture available from Yale at http://oyc.yale.edu/history-of-art/roman-architecture, I have been looking for anything, podcast or otherwise, dealing with the de...
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crosby and Schaeffer Answer Key?
Replies: 15
Views: 11637

Re: Crosby and Schaeffer Answer Key?

Thank you very much, Interaxus!
by Jefferson Cicero
Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:01 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Origo Viae Lacteae
Replies: 0
Views: 2068

Origo Viae Lacteae

Si placet, mone me si sunt errata ulla. http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/motc/motc011.htm Origo Viae Lacteae de Mythis Cherokiorum de James Mooney Aliqui in austro habuerunt pistrinum maizio in quo contunderunt maizium et facerunt farem, et aliquod mane cum venerunt id implere animadverterunt al...
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Handy Grammar Table
Replies: 6
Views: 3564

Re: Handy Grammar Table

Ah, yes, those words that change meaning from Classical to Mediaeval, and of course word substitutions. Those are always tricky and sometimes exasperating. I suppose the word order is quite close to that of Romance languages? I can see why it would be a beast for anyone used to the classical. One of...
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:16 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The evil 'ii'.
Replies: 11
Views: 5582

Re: The evil 'ii'.

It could be, Lex, but I dont know. I remember seeing on TV, a long time ago, some comedian who was impersonating Elvis impersonators, almost turning them into creatures of their own, a species, with exaggerated appearances and habits. He called them 'Elv-eye', but I dont think he invented the term. ...
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:01 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Is practising reading only (instead of writing) good enough?
Replies: 7
Views: 3997

Re: Is practising reading only (instead of writing) good enough?

In my experience writing Latin has helped much better than just reading alone. It brings more benefit faster.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:57 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Handy Grammar Table
Replies: 6
Views: 3564

Re: Handy Grammar Table

This is an interesting table. I've never read Mediaeval Latin and I've never seen a table of it before. It didn't change as much from the Latin of Roman times as I might have expected.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:32 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The evil 'ii'.
Replies: 11
Views: 5582

Re: The evil 'ii'.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or to cringe when someone refers to more than one Elvis impersonator as 'Elvi, or even 'Elvii'.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:06 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Linguistics Book
Replies: 2
Views: 2106

Re: Linguistics Book

This is fantastic. Thanks!
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:59 pm
Forum: M&F's Latin: An Intensive Course
Topic: Moreland & Fleisher: too tough?
Replies: 12
Views: 24207

Re: Moreland & Fleisher: too tough?

Sometimes I think that M&F is best for those who have already been through Wheelock or some other simpler introduction. If you're going to use it as your primary introduction, definitely take some extra time with it.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:56 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Tuscan vs. Doric Order
Replies: 1
Views: 10085

Re: Tuscan vs. Doric Order

I think Tuscan was mainly used in wood structures. There is also a difference in the overall shape of the columns, and I think the base is different from the Roman Doric. I understand your confusion. I didn't realise just how much they resemble each other.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:31 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ancient futurologists
Replies: 2
Views: 1980

Re: Ancient futurologists

I got to reading Lucian and it was so intriguing that I couldn't stop. Thanks for the link. I had no idea there existed such stories as these in the Ancient world.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:13 pm
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Answer Key (From Harper Collins)
Replies: 4
Views: 36646

Re: Answer Key (From Harper Collins)

Thank you rlafleur. I 've been looking for this one for a long time.
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Salvete! A new member with a question...
Replies: 2
Views: 1798

Re: Salvete! A new member with a question...

I suppose it has a lot to do with how extensive your learning materials are, or if you have a good teacher or tutor. You'll have to put much effort into it above and beyond your classroom study or homework. I would recommend studying your grammar book religiously, and then start trying some composit...
by Jefferson Cicero
Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin
Replies: 8
Views: 9106

Re: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin

Adrianus, that's a wonderful programme. I never expected to find anything like this, nor for that matter, anything like the elingua suite.
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin
Replies: 8
Views: 9106

Re: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin

Furrykef, such a tool would be wonderful, and would come in handy. How difficult would it be to make? I guess determining the date of the month in the Roman calendar would be easier if one kept in mind the concept of reading the hands of a clock: 'seven minutes 'till two, fifteen till seven, half pa...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin
Replies: 8
Views: 9106

Re: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin

Thank you, Adrianus. As interesting as it is, the complexity of Roman date reconing makes me sorry I even asked. I'm going to give it a shot anyway, since it seems to me that at times it would be quite important to get your dates right when reading Latin texts, such as when a sequence of events is b...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:13 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Is It Possible to Study Latin Comp By Oneself?
Replies: 5
Views: 2830

Re: Is It Possible to Study Latin Comp By Oneself?

Perhaps it would help if you chose one or more texts in your native language which you like to read, are about subjects which you find interesting, and with which are already familiar, and just start translating a few sentences or paragraphs here and there from those texts. The fact that the texts a...
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:02 pm
Forum: M&F's Latin: An Intensive Course
Topic: Answer Key for M&F
Replies: 10
Views: 30933

Re: Answer Key for M&F

Thank you so much, Tempoclavis!
by Jefferson Cicero
Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin
Replies: 8
Views: 9106

Year, Month, and Date Notations in Latin

How would a Roman have written a date, say, when writing a letter, assuming that they did date their letters? How would they have cited a date in the text of a book, such as, say, 'on the tenth of May, the 9th legion marched to the frontier'? Did they commonly use numerals for either the day or the ...
by Jefferson Cicero
Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:25 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Attic/Modern Greek comparison
Replies: 4
Views: 2707

Re: Attic/Modern Greek comparison

Thank you, Mingshey and Scribo. Horrock's does look like the perfect book for what I want to do, from what I can see about it on Amazon. It's price is quite high, however, so I'll have to wait a while before I can get it.
by Jefferson Cicero
Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:22 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Attic/Modern Greek comparison
Replies: 4
Views: 2707

Attic/Modern Greek comparison

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a book or a website that compares Attic with Modern Greek grammatically?

It might be helpful if one were to start learning Modern Greek after having learnt Attic, which I am considering.