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by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I am looking for bibliography
Replies: 1
Views: 56

Re: I am looking for bibliography

Any of the standard ancient Greek grammars will get you there, Smyth, Goodwin, or the recently published Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek . Specifically on verb usage, I recently read The Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek: An Introduction: Third Edition by Rijksbaron, and it's ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A better way?
Replies: 6
Views: 122

Re: A better way?

Reading neither grammar will hurt you, but if you read Latin grammars without reading Latin, you tend to get good at grammars and not so good at Latin. Even if you are not reading fluently, you want to proceed to reading real authors from antiquity as much as possible. That doesn't mean that there i...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin synonyms
Replies: 3
Views: 80

Re: Latin synonyms

Simply because some words may be translated by the same word in English in certain contexts does not mean that they mean the same thing.
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18
Replies: 6
Views: 190

Re: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18

I have no idea what you mean by "candidate answer." Do note, however, that there is better manuscript support for the reading than there was in W&H's time.
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: word order
Replies: 1
Views: 122

Re: word order

Some interesting articles:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3288352?se ... b_contents

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3287962?se ... b_contents

But surely there is something more recent, especially with all the work being done in the latest fad of discourse analysis?
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18
Replies: 6
Views: 190

Re: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18

Thanks, Joel, that's great feedback, and any developed writing on the subject would have to interact with all this. Philo, of course, roughly contemporaneous with the composition of the NT writings, and whether or not he influenced any of the NT authors directly (now that's a hotly debated topic), a...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18
Replies: 6
Views: 190

Re: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18

jeidsath wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:03 pm
Does the world really need another thread about this?

I think that you may be right about ὁ ὢν but its usage in 2 John should give you some pause about being certain about anything.
Define "need..." :) However, could be more specific?
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18
Replies: 6
Views: 190

Exodus 3:14 LXX and John 1:18

Exodus 3:14 LXX Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· καὶ εἶπεν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραήλ Ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς John 1:18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.  It is well know that the second finite Hebrew verb in Exodus 3:14 MT, אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: accusative of possession??
Replies: 4
Views: 158

Re: accusative of possession??

This shows the danger of trying to infer what a latin phrase might mean from an English translation without having a grasp of Latin grammar. You would be better working your way through Wheelock rather than trying to dip in. In the long term it will save you time because you would have seen, for ex...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Wilson's Odyssey - again
Replies: 16
Views: 472

Re: Wilson's Odyssey - again

I think we should always be a bit skeptical when someone uses an ad hominem to state that her work is better than someone else's. If her gender qualifies her to see things that male translators may have missed, does it also mean that she is missing things that her male counterparts are better qualif...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: ΣΥΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ July 14–20, 2019 at the University of Kentucky, Lexington
Replies: 10
Views: 959

Re: ΣΥΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ July 14–20, 2019 at the University of Kentucky, Lexington

θαυμαστόν τί μοι εἶναι δοκεῖ. νομίζεις ὅτι σοι ὠφέλιμον πολλὰ μανθάνοντι γέγονε;
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi!
Replies: 3
Views: 116

Re: Hi!

Wishing you all the best in your pursuits. So, for both Japanese and Chinese, what would you recommend as the top literature to read (in translation, please... :) ). Something on the level of Homer and Vergil for Western literature...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Could use some help making up a word and nailing down the literal meaning of the word syneidesis
Replies: 2
Views: 151

Re: Could use some help making up a word and nailing down the literal meaning of the word syneidesis

Greek and a multi-verse neural network? Does it really get any better than that? :) I'm also impressed that you seem to know what a hapax legomenon is -- your request is a step above the normal "Can you translate CEO into ancient Greek for a tatoo" request... I think syneidesis is admirably suited f...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὅτι + optative
Replies: 12
Views: 388

ὅτι + optative

What is the logic for use of the optative in indirect statement following verbs in secondary sequence?
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: JACT: Exercise 1H-J4. accents on ἐστί
Replies: 5
Views: 178

Re: JACT: Exercise 1H-J4. accents on ἐστί

seneca2008 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:50 am
Probert "A new short guide to the Accentuation of Ancient Greek" p 144 says:
That is the one of the few times that I have seen a book on Amazon with all 5 star reviews, all written giving good reasons for the rating. Looks like it's worth getting.
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: Pugna Vukovaris
Replies: 22
Views: 2369

Re: Pugna Vukovaris

Iterum dico me hoc defunctum esse. Scribendum latine bonum est sed sicut aliquis alibi dixit, vitam pete.
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?
Replies: 7
Views: 563

Re: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?

As bad as the B level sword and sandals movies were, and I'm thinking specifically of the Hercules movies, they were my introduction to the ancient world, and planted a seed in my elementary school mind that led to reading mythology, which contributed to taking Latin in high school... One of the act...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: 1 Sam 15:11 LXX
Replies: 1
Views: 344

Re: 1 Sam 15:11 LXX

Just a quick follow up, on B-Greek Ken Penner, who worked on the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS) pointed out that נחמ can also mean "comfort, console" and thinks that the LXX translator at this point for whatever reason defaulted to that meaning without attention to the context (not...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Interlinear LXX?
Replies: 5
Views: 276

Re: Interlinear LXX?

Lazy seminary students have used this volume to cheat since its publication: learn https://tinyurl.com/y5vuht9w I strongly recommend agains the use of an interlinear if your goal is actually to learn the language. Also, it would appear to me that this is a bible with English and the original langua...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Interlinear LXX?
Replies: 5
Views: 276

Re: Interlinear LXX?

Lazy seminary students have used this volume to cheat since its publication:
learn
https://tinyurl.com/y5vuht9w

I strongly recommend agains the use of an interlinear if your goal is actually to learn the language.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: Pugna Vukovaris
Replies: 22
Views: 2369

Re: Pugna Vukovaris

FlatAssembler wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:27 pm

Annon cogitas plus probabile esse, ut ii conspicientes in coniuratione sint? Videas quod hic scripsi.
Id improbabilissimum esse duco. Coniurationes habeas. meliora quae faciam habeo.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: 1 Sam 15:11 LXX
Replies: 1
Views: 344

1 Sam 15:11 LXX

Παρακέκλημαι ὅτι ἐβασίλευσα τὸν Σαοὺλ εἰς βασιλέα...

Anyone want to comment on the use of παρακαλέω to render נחם? It seems like such an unusual choice, and only attested in this sense in the LXX.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 93-118
Replies: 26
Views: 1381

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 93-118

(Fitzgerald's "chasing the mountain goats" is a grotesque misunderstanding of τερπομένη κάπροισι, "delighting in boars," which she sends against those who displease her. And Sean we can't go defining Homeric words by reference to English translation of them!) Fitzgerald got it wrong. Imagine that. ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: Pugna Vukovaris
Replies: 22
Views: 2369

Re: Pugna Vukovaris

Mihi, conscii qui eventus revera conspiciebant et scripta eo tempore, precipue diurnalia, veritatem rei confirmant. Sed quomodo possunt fideles conspicientes esse? Proelium spectare difficile est, ergo fideles testes non possunt esse, annon? Caligo belli? In paucis conscii adfuerunt. Petite etiam c...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 964

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

mwh wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:02 pm
π̣ερὶ ἡμ̣ῶ̣ν μνείαν ποίησαι. I’m sorry to have to point it out but this is not active but middle. The editor of the papyrus, having some competence in Greek, recognized that and accented accordingly.
Ah, so an imperative, good catch.
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 964

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Sorry, Joel, but I have no idea what you just said. Ditto. Joel, if you are saying what I think you are saying, then isn't looking for examples in the literature precisely what we need to be doing? Our work is descriptive, not prescriptive. Michael, I still look forward (genuinely, nor snarkily) to...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 964

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way. If you know that, Barry, because, like Michael, you have some "slight competence" in ancient Greek, I'll accept that :D . Though I would substitute "experience" for "competence". Well, I certainly trust Michael's slight experiential competence...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 964

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way How on earth would you know that? Notice that I used the word "suspect." Apart from a living linguaculture, nobody can know anything with certainty, but based on the ordinary usage that we've already pointed out, I think it's quite likely. Howe...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Vocabulary Books?
Replies: 9
Views: 505

Re: Latin Vocabulary Books?

From one of those "vocabulary books" just mentioned: commentārius ~(i)ī m. Also ~ium ~(i)ī neut., conm-. [commentum + -ārius] GENDER: where distinguishable more commonly m.; neut. VAR. L. 6.90, CIC. Brut. 164, VITR. 9.pr.14, LIV. 42.6.3, PLIN. Nat. 34.108, etc. Glare, P. G. W. (Ed.). (2012). Oxford ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 964

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

What do you mean by "possible"? I once had an international student say to me, "Shall we imbibe drinks tonight?" That's a possible English sentence. It even communicates successfully what the speaker intended. And it just isn't right, and it resulted in a good discussion on idiomatic ways to ask if...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like
Replies: 5
Views: 291

Re: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like

With binomial species names, .. there must be a way of saying ducklike. With binomial names, the suffix -oïdes , imported from greek, is employed. e.g., turdoïdes, rosoideae. Anatoïdes I guess. *** Perseus L & S has 25 ancient instances of it --- most are from Pliny's Historia : http://www.perseus....
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like
Replies: 5
Views: 291

Re: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like

Hi, Latin has loads of wonderful adjectival suffixes, eg bundus etc. But I can't find one which means like, eg duck like, doglike etc. With binomial species names, where the second one is an adjective, there must be a way of saying ducklike. I can find pertaining to a duck anatarius, anataria, anat...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Stop and Frisk
Replies: 5
Views: 300

Re: Stop and Frisk

jeidsath wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:39 pm
Alexander Nikolaev's paper Greek Etymology in the 21st century presents a "detailed illustration of methodological and other flaws of [Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek]."
Thanks for this. So, do the defects listed outweigh its usefulness otherwise?
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: when ı learn latin declensions should ı write their meanings?
Replies: 5
Views: 207

Re: when ı learn latin declensions should ı write their meanings?

I don't know anything about the Dowling method, but the reason for doing the meanings along with the forms is to solidify that for the genitive, dative and ablative one adds words in English, namely prepositions, to complete the usage of the noun in context, and that for the nominative, and accusati...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92
Replies: 37
Views: 1356

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92

Teenage girls turning laundry day into game day. Right, reading my own culture back into it. Or maybe things really haven't changed all that much in the last 3,000 or so years.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 99a
Replies: 5
Views: 418

Re: meno 99a

If you insist on using the Latin terminology, gen i tivus. Are you sure? Well, I was, until you made me look. OLD and L&S both have gen e tivus. I confess I never checked, but simply followed the modern texts I have which which supply Latin grammatical terminology, and use gen i tivus. The otherwis...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Il. 6.2-3 Genitive Absolute?
Replies: 10
Views: 586

Il. 6.2-3 Genitive Absolute?

2 πολλὰ δʼ ἄρʼ ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθʼ ἴθυσε μάχη πεδίοιο 3 ἀλλήλων ἰθυνομένων χαλκήρεα δοῦρα ἰθυνομένων: sc. “μαχητῶν”. cf. “περὶ στήθεσσι δὲ χαλκὸς ͅ σμερδαλέον κονάβιζε” (rang) “τιτυσκομένων” (aiming) “καθʼ ὅμιλον ͅ ἀλλήλων Ν” 497 ff. In later Greek, this would be considered as gen. abs., but here the impl...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 99a
Replies: 5
Views: 418

Re: meno 99a

ὧν δὲ ἄνθρωπος ἡγεμών ἐστιν ἐπὶ τὸ ὀρθόν, δύο ταῦτα, δόξα ἀληθὴς καὶ ἐπιστήμη. is this ὧν genetive of source/ Genetivus originis. In some editions it is replαced by ᾧ which is easier to understand. I can't stand it anymore. Gen i tive. Spelled with an "i." If you insist on using the Latin terminolo...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 96b
Replies: 1
Views: 201

Re: meno 96b

οὐκοῦν εἰ μήτε οἱ σοφισταὶ μήτε οἱ αὐτοὶ καλοὶ κἀγαθοὶ ὄντες διδάσκαλοί εἰσι τοῦ πράγματος, here οἱ before αὐτοὶ is probably not an article but a demonstr pr, otherwise αὐτοὶ would be in a attrib position. I don't see that. The article substantizes αὐτοὶ καλοὶ κἀγαθοὶ ὄντες, with διδάσκολοι as the ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: των αγαθων - for the good things
Replies: 13
Views: 742

Re: των αγαθων - for the good things

Smyth 1405-1409 on the Genitive of Cause is worth reading here. It lists examples like οὐκέτι ὧν οὗτοι κλέπτουσιν ὀργίζεσθε, ἀλλ᾽ ὧν αὐτοὶ λαμβάνετε χάριν ἴστε. Philo seems on solid ground. I'm not so sure about that: With verbs of emotion the genitive denotes the cause. Such verbs are to wonder at...