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by jeidsath
Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek texts with macrons?
Replies: 11
Views: 351

Re: Classical Greek texts with macrons?

Editors of professional texts do not generally print macrons for Latin either. Why there is a complete dearth of texts, even for pedagogical purposes, that do it for Greek probably has something to do with what bedwere mentioned, and moreover the general way that Greek pedagogy lags behind Latin in...
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homer in Nature Human Behavior April 8, 2019
Replies: 3
Views: 191

Re: Homer in Nature Human Behavior April 8, 2019

There is also the claim that "a more confident and mature poetic style" may be signaled by more intraline pauses. I could see how this might apply to the Odyssey.

I may code something up and try to apply this to the different books/sections of the Iliad.
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Introduction to Latin poetry
Replies: 8
Views: 187

Re: Introduction to Latin poetry

Thank you both. After mwh's post, I had taken a look at Aeneid 1-11, and was actually just going to ask about line 3, and also about how the word stress works with the verse.
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:39 am
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Introduction to Latin poetry
Replies: 8
Views: 187

Introduction to Latin poetry

The following questions that are probably basic enough to be annoying, so if anyone simply wants to point me to resources instead of typing out answers, I don't mind. However, I assume that most (all) textbooks are aimed at people with no knowledge of Greek poetry, and might be a little tedious for ...
by jeidsath
Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 20
Views: 340

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

Just looking at the dictionary, qua is ablative feminine. That’s the “from” case, right? And quo is “to where”. So is it where the road starts from versus where it goes to?
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homer in Nature Human Behavior April 8, 2019
Replies: 3
Views: 191

Homer in Nature Human Behavior April 8, 2019

Nature: Large-scale quantitative profiling of the Old English verse tradition Interesting article, primarily concerned with Beowulf. However they also count the number of periods ending lines in the Iliad versus the Odyssey and come up with this. https://i.imgur.com/IQkmBiZ.png For instance, Fitch [...
by jeidsath
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Papyrology mystery
Replies: 6
Views: 274

Re: Papyrology mystery

But we haven't touched on the deepest mystery -- all of the swimming is underlined in different ink, but the same hand. Presumably this was a collation step on its way to another swimming-centric document, one which remains yet to be discovered.
by jeidsath
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Papyrology mystery
Replies: 6
Views: 274

Re: Papyrology mystery

Do you mean that you don't see the posted image, or that you don't understand the point?
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Phaed 65b
Replies: 8
Views: 233

Re: Phaed 65b

Adverbial καί rather than conjunctive καί, I would think. "Even"
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Papyrology mystery
Replies: 6
Views: 274

Papyrology mystery

I recently received a copy of Eric G. Turner's lectures "The Papyrologist at Work" from a bookseller in Amsterdam. I found these notes on the back of the book, which normally I would let pass, but that I would post about due to the subject matter of the book it is attached to. I can't make out much,...
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: iambic practice
Replies: 4
Views: 170

Re: iambic practice

Wow, much better than I could do.

- μου can't start a line, I don't believe.

- χαίρ᾽ ἐν φρεσί. I would have thought this was a violation, but here is Aeschylus (though with the moveable nu): πρὸς δυσσεβείας δ᾿ ἦν ἐμοὶ τόδ᾿ ἐν φρεσίν
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Hopefully Ørberg covers the Latin rules for scanning poetry before too long. I can see that it's similar to Greek, but not exactly the same, and I'd like to know all of the exceptions that I should keep my eyes out for. Two great resources that I've found useful so far: 1) EXERCITIA LATINA all onlin...
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Well, it looked unpronounceable last night well I was up late with an upset baby and was thinking about it. Now it doesn't seem so bad. Is it ac or āc? Ørberg gives the first, and Lease claims the same in "The Use of Atque and Ac in Silver Latin" (1902).
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

In XII, I’m seeing a lot if ac, which is glossed “= atque”. I assume it’s parallel to “nec = neque”. Given the unpronounceable-looking nature of ac, are these abbreviations rather than synonyms?
by jeidsath
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: This and That
Replies: 5
Views: 200

Re: This and That

those - ἐκεῖνα

these - ταῦτα
by jeidsath
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides with facing vocab and commentary?
Replies: 6
Views: 305

Re: Thucydides with facing vocab and commentary?

What are these Latin commentaries with vocab that are mentioned? Do they exist for most Greek works?
by jeidsath
Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:31 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Oh, thank you. He means "this beast is not wild". I had thought "it is not a wild beast."
by jeidsath
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:41 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

In chapter X: Canis amicus hominis est, ea bestia fera non est.

Does gender of the demonstratives switch like this in Latin? I was a bit surprised that ea would agree with bestia fera rather than canis amicus.
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Requested Translation
Replies: 4
Views: 166

Re: Requested Translation

I thought it worked just fine without more adaptation than putting the first part into the nominative.

"Vault of corpses and [double-] gates of darkness, where Hades dwells apart from gods."
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Requested Translation
Replies: 4
Views: 166

Re: Requested Translation

νεκρῶν κευθμὼν καὶ σκότου πύλαι, ἵν᾿ Ἅιδης χωρὶς ᾤκισται θεῶν.
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 334

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

In 330d he's answering ἀληθῆ, ἔφη, λέγεις. In 331d he's answering οὐκ ἄρα. Isn't that enough explanation?
by jeidsath
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν
Replies: 12
Views: 478

Re: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν

Out of the four translations just quoted, only one was translated by people sensitive enough to the Greek to notice something like this one way or the other. Callisper's interpretation makes a lot of sense and doesn't seem to be precluded by the grammar. Look at verse 18: εἰ δὲ πνεύματι ἄγεσθε, οὐκ ...
by jeidsath
Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη
Replies: 19
Views: 572

Re: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη

Are you typing vowel and then the accent, or the accent and then the vowel? Switching the order should fix the problem.
by jeidsath
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The meaning of ηρου Phaed 61e
Replies: 6
Views: 213

Re: The meaning of ηρου Phaed 61e

I don’t know what English translation you might be using, but looking at the Greek he seems to be referring to that earlier question, yes.
by jeidsath
Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The meaning of ηρου Phaed 61e
Replies: 6
Views: 213

Re: The meaning of ηρου Phaed 61e

What is the context that it doesn’t fit? Can you quote that too?
by jeidsath
Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:17 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη
Replies: 19
Views: 572

Re: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη

I’ve thought of that usage as something like English, “get it done already” meaning “get it done now.” I could be wrong.
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: School level textbook in Latin (not language)
Replies: 7
Views: 339

Re: School level textbook in Latin (not language)

There's always Euclid.
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: A background of pretty green circles
Replies: 3
Views: 126

Re: A background of pretty green circles

It looks like a partial CSS load, possibly caused by your service provider. Possibly caused by something higher up the chain. You can probably just hit refresh and move on.
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: No more Free Downloads?
Replies: 1
Views: 116

Re: No more Free Downloads?

It works for me. Can you provide a link where you saw the problem?
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 12 Part III No. 7
Replies: 4
Views: 173

Re: Unit 12 Part III No. 7

"The sailors are going down along the river with difficulty, for they are being pelted with stones by the enemy. " Your version: Ὁι ναῦτας κατὰ τὸν ποτεὸν χαλεπῶν, μετὰ ψὺφων ὐπὸ τῶν πολιμὶων Βὰλλουσιν. Book: ἀνὰ τὸν ποταμὸν χαλεπῶς ἔρχονται οἱ ναῦται· λίθοις γὰρ ὑπὸ τῶν πολεμίων βάλλονται I think t...
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:35 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A definite article to represent "One"?
Replies: 9
Views: 301

Re: A definite article to represent "One"?

ἀεὶ χρὴ μάλα σοφῶς βουλεύεσθαι ὑπὲρ τῶν πολιτῶν.

@Constantinus: There is no dative in this sentence.

@Lukas: χρὴ βουλεύεσθαι means "one must deliberate". "χρὴ <infinitive X>" means "one must <do X>". Nothing is needed to represent "one".
by jeidsath
Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:13 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Well I’ve managed 5 chapters so far, along with the exercises. I imagine that my progress will slow down soon, but knowing some Greek seems to provide quite an advantage.
by jeidsath
Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Personal Latin Translation Help
Replies: 5
Views: 151

Re: Personal Latin Translation Help

1. Since young, I do not like to study. Cum progenies, non amo ad studium. I do not like to study. As in English, that should probably be a finite verb plus an infinitive. non amo studere. Since young. Looking for some examples in Loeb gives me: a pueritia. It's a preposition "a" plus a noun in the...
by jeidsath
Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek Recommended Word Processing Software
Replies: 22
Views: 731

Re: Classical Greek Recommended Word Processing Software

Porson's is different from the Latin circumflex, being rounded. So more like an inverted breve. That's quite normal and actually based on medieval bookhand. Other manuscript perispomena look more like the tilde, and early Greek printing certainly did. I certainly wouldn't recommend typing Greek with...
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek texts with macrons?
Replies: 11
Views: 351

Re: Classical Greek texts with macrons?

We can tell Greek vowel length from a few things: poetry (primarily), accent, graphical evidence (like ει/ι instability in papyri), a/η development, cognate forms and etymology, and the ancient grammarians (especially Herodian). That's likely an incomplete list.
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Πλάτων Απ. 36β
Replies: 2
Views: 145

Re: Πλάτων Απ. 36β

I feel like there is a sense of "learn by repetition" or "rote learning" that is sometimes present in μανθάνω that might make sense of these examples. X. Symp 3.5 Ὁ πατὴρ ὁ ἐπιμελούμενος ὅπως ἀνὴρ ἀγαθὸς γενοίμην ἠνάγκασέ με πάντα τὰ Ὁμήρου ἔπη μαθεῖν · καὶ νῦν δυναίμην ἂν Ἰλιάδα ὅλην καὶ Ὀδύσσειαν ...
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Πλάτων Απ. 36β
Replies: 2
Views: 145

Re: Πλάτων Απ. 36β

From Burnet, agreeing with Bailly, which agrees with the LSJ (where you could see μανθάνω A.V.) ὅτι μαθών is a strange expression which occurs only four times in classical Greek, and appears to mean 'because' with an added sense of disapprobation or expostulation ( propterea quod...adiuncto tamen al...
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek Recommended Word Processing Software
Replies: 22
Views: 731

Re: Classical Greek Recommended Word Processing Software

Callisper wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:20 pm
(A lot of recent modern editions prefer the â and with good reason.)
Really? Who is doing that? Anyway, Unicode as the Latin "Combining Circumflex Accent", if you want to make an alpha with the Latin circumflex: α̂. Any modern font should handle it. Typing it may be more complicated.
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Well, I've been dipping into the Vulgate as well, which is easy to read alongside the Greek text. However I can't always distinguish the Latin case, especially when it doesn't coincide exactly with the Latin case (which is what I'm most interested in). I'm not sure how much help the Vulgate's Latin ...
by jeidsath
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 865

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

I’m afraid that I was always a poor student of language growing up, so I try to use methodologies that mask my inability to learn simply by reading a grammar. Very impressed that you can do this though.