Word Order and Paragraph 47

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kalowski
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Word Order and Paragraph 47

Post by kalowski » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:11 pm

O Textkit! What an excellent site!!

On another thread (viewtopic.php?t=217), Koala, has
begun to put up answers for discussion. This is really helpful for a beginner like me. However, I have one or two questions..


For In the village were tents
Comparing one of Koala's answers:
Koala wrote:Paragraph 47<br />[size=150] ἐν ταῖς κωμαῖς ἦσαν σκηναί.
to mine:
[size=150]ἐν ταῖς κώμαις σκηναί ἦσαν

Apart from my, probably, dodgy accents (they're causing me some problems..) is there a concensus (for a beginner) on word order. I guess, a bit like may occur in German, I put the verb at the end...


Secondly, for

They have tents and slings


I put: [size=150]σκηνα8ς και σφενγόϛάς ἔχουσι[/size]

Koala put:
[size=150]σκηνὰς καὶ σφενδόνας ἔχουσι[b]ν[/b].[/size]

The final [b][size=150]ν[/size][/b] being because it ends the sentence? Is that right?


Finally, why does Koala have καὶ and I only have και? Why the different?

Many thanks for any help.
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Post by Carola » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:07 pm

I'm having a bit of trouble reading some of the text - there seems to be some odd spaces appearing between letters? I haven't been learning Greek for very long but it seems that, like Latin, the word order is always more as in your example (except in poetry but that's another matter), although the first and last words are sometimes used for emphasis. Maybe Koala has just used English word order so people don't get confused at this early stage, but it isn't wrong, just not the usual order.
I don't have my notebook with me but for # 2 if you look at the note on Ex. 59 this shows an example.

The verb "to be" is set out fully on P 261. this might be of help.
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Re: Word Order and Paragraph 47

Post by annis » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:22 pm

kalowski wrote:I guess, a bit like may occur in German, I put the verb at the end...
No, no. Latinists want to do this too. You may place the verb last in a clause, but it has no special attraction for that position. English word order would work, or even the verb first if the mood strikes - it emphasizes the verb - though with forms of εἰμί that strongly implies "there is/are."
The final [size=134]ν[/size] being because it ends the sentence? Is that right?
Yes.
Why the different ?
When a word that ends in an acute accent is followed by another word, the accent is written grave. Before punctuation, it stays acute.
William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/http://www.scholiastae.org/
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;

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