gospel of John 6:22

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gospel of John 6:22

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Context: After the miracle of the loaves and fishes, the disciples of Jesus embarked in a boat without Jesus to cross the sea of Galilee, over to Capernaum, and Jesus joined them later by walking on the water. As I understand it, the next verse describes the viewpoint of those on the side of the sea that the disciples left.
Τῇ ἐπαύριον ὁ ὄχλος ὁ ἑστηκὼς πέραν τῆς θαλάσσης εἶδον ὅτι πλοιάριον ἄλλο οὐκ ἦν ἐκεῖ εἰ μὴ ἕν, καὶ ὅτι οὐ συνεισῆλθεν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὸ πλοῖον ἀλλὰ μόνοι οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ ἀπῆλθον:
Translation, with some guessing:

The next day, the crowd on the other side of the sea saw that no other boat had been there except that one [i.e. the one the disciples had used], and that Jesus did not embark in the boat with his disciples, but his disciples went alone [i.e. without Jesus]

This phrase baffled me: ἄλλο οὐκ ἦν ἐκεῖ εἰ μὴ ἕν
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Re: gospel of John 6:22

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I wouldn't render the imperfect ἦν as a pluperfect (and you seem to have missed ἑστηκώς) "The next day the crowd standing on the opposite shore saw that there was no other boat there except one, and that..."

It's a bit of a stumbler, though, because one naturally asks the question "what boat is he talking about?" and that's precisely what we see in the manuscript tradition:
{A} ἕν 𝔓75 א2 A B L N W Ψ f1 157 205 565 579 1010 1241 itaur, (b), c, f, ff2, l, q, (r1) vg coppbo, bo, ach2, mf eth slavms Augustine // ἓν ἐκεῖνο εἰς ὃ ἐνέβησαν οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ (א* f13 l 547 copsa τοῦ Ἰησοῦ for αὐτοῦ) (Δ ὅν for ὁ and ἀνέβησαν) Θ 0141 28 180 597 700 892 1006 1243 (1292 l 1070 ἀνέβησαν) 1342 1424 1505 Byz [E F G H] Lect (itc) syr(c), (p), h, (pal) slav Cyrillem // ἓν εἰς ὃ ἐνέβησαν οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ (D* αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦ) (Dc ita, d τοῦ Ἰησοῦ for αὐτοῦ) 33 1071 l 68 l 184 syrs (arm) (geo) (Chrysostom)
Aland, B., Aland, K., Karavidopoulos, J., Martini, C. M., & Metzger, B. (Eds.). (2014). The Greek New Testament: Apparatus (Fifth Revised Edition, p. 328). Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft; American Bible Society; United Bible Societies.

Metzger explains:
In order to clarify the evangelist’s statement about the boat, copyists added, in one form or another, the explanation that it was the one “into which his [Jesus’] disciples had entered.” The variety of wording of the addition condemns it as secondary, just as the age and variety of witnesses which support the shorter reading confirm that as original.
Metzger, B. M., United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies’ Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (p. 181). London; New York: United Bible Societies.
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Re: gospel of John 6:22

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Barry Hofstetter wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:17 pm I wouldn't render the imperfect ἦν as a pluperfect (and you seem to have missed ἑστηκώς) "The next day the crowd standing on the opposite shore saw that there was no other boat there except one, and that..."
Many thanks!

I had a lot of trouble with that imperfect, since my assumption was that the boat was on the other side, and that the crowd standing around did not actually behold a boat before them, but were speaking of a boat that was no longer present. That explains my choice of the English past perfect. Besides that my understanding of Greek tense is incomplete. If I had known more Greek I might not have made such an assumption.
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