krios : a dagger?

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In Crete a Minoan dagger was excavated resembling Gr akinakes which had a ram or lion head on the cross-bar.
A krios battering-ram on a heliopolis tower on wheels had a ram's-head engraved on the triangular points of the device of 5th cent BCE. Sparta had triangular-bladed daggers and Krios was a Laconian seer to a local deity.
Today Crete produces modern daggers named krios which are "traditional" meaning 2 centuries old.
So has anyone come across a Grecian krios dagger?

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The ram tower was helepolis elein : "taker of cities".
Alexander was Alesandros eleisin : "defender , protecting". He wore ram horns in Egypt as the son of Zeus-Amon . This extends the link between ram and weapons.

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Maybe krios daggers today are connected with kri-kri.
Dagger of Crete:
"This peculiar hilt is always made of animal matter, horn or bone, while in the most lavishly manufactured daggers it is made of ivory..
The numerous flocks of sheep and goats of Crete and the stout horns of its buffaloes still provide today ample raw material for the horn-made hilts of daggers, while, more rarely, hilts are made from the island's wild goats' horns, known as kri - kri.
The stoutest and most durable horns for making hilts are the ram's and the billy-goat's..
Dagger - manufacturers leave nothing to chance. They choose carefully the animal horns that they will use for making the manikes (hilts). They mainly prefer those of male animals, which thus offer their horn weapons for the manufacturing and embellishment of human weapons. "
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The term kri "to form" is seen in Sanskrit , samskrta "well-formed" script .

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that's interesting chimera, what else have you found?

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The root for sanskrit seems to be * kwer "to do, make , form" but krios dagger from kri-kri may be root *ker "horn , head" or *ker "to cut". Possibly there was a circular link between sharp horns and horn-handle for a cutting blade. Crete is probably from Gr kres / kerete and Luwian Hittite *kursatta "island", *kursattar "sliver, cutting". The island resembles a knife-shape. Roots can produce opposite terms as in *skwer "to cover" ( clouds, a skin) which became skewer " a pin to hold down a skin" and the verb to skin "cut a skin". A carving is a cut which "makes, forms" and so is *ker "grow , increase".
If the krios dagger went to Greek Bactria and Kushan Indo-Greek kingdoms of Greco-Buddhists then it may be the keris buda dagger carved on Buddhist temples in Indonesia . The kris dagger has magic powers and was made by a magician craftsman who chanted mantras.
" What we do know is that in 14th century Java the keris was indisputably a masculine symbol that was regarded as an iconic representation of the lingga of Siwa. The Candi Sukuh lingga is a representation of the male sexual organ, and bears a carving in relief of an upright keris, together with the inscription:-

"Consecration of the Holy Gangga Sudhi ---the sign of masculinity is the essence of the world."

This is the clearest possible statement of the nature of the keris in 14th century Java."

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chimera,
that's stupid and a waste of space

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yes I agree

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Too bad no one has been too eager to answer your post! I don't know about krios, but just to say something I'd like to point out that akinakes is in origin a Persian word and denotes (at least in Herodotus) Persian swords/daggers.

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