Metrical anomaly
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Metrical anomaly
Hey guys, good afternoon, can you scan this hexametre verse for me ? "munera sunt lauri et suae rubens hyacinthus". I scan munera/sunt lau/ri et su/ae ru/bens hya/cinthus. But i think it's wrong because the auctor demand us to find the metrical anomalie and i don't find it.
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Re: Metrical anomaly
It's suave, not suae. (What do you think it means?)
Hint: where do you think the caesura is?
Hint: where do you think the caesura is?
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Re: Metrical anomaly
No. -ve is short.
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Re: Metrical anomaly
Yes that’s it. When in doubt always go for the caesura.
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Re: Metrical anomaly
I agree there's a hiatus there for that reason, but isn't that last parse nevertheless wrong, because |rī || et su| isn't a valid foot?
I think the answer is rather:
mūnera | sunt lau|rī || et | suāve ru|bēns hy̆ă|cinthus
Suāvis is one of the few stems with the /sʷ/ phoneme, the other important one being suādeō. Basically suāvis is supposed to have two syllables, as if swā-vis. Although maybe this is what you guys intended to begin with? Even if so, here's some more examples, for anyone reading this thread...
Ipse sed | in prā|tīs ari|ēs iam | suāve ru|bentī (Vergil, Eclogae 4.43)
suāvis et | in ter|rā ... (Lucretius, Dē Rērum Nātūrae 3.173)
saepe lĕ|vī som|num suā|dēbit i|nīre su|surrō (Vergil, Eclogae 1.55)
nōn dăre | suspec|tum'st: || pudor | est quī | suādĕat | illinc (Ovid, Metamorphōsēs 1.618)
I think the answer is rather:
mūnera | sunt lau|rī || et | suāve ru|bēns hy̆ă|cinthus
Suāvis is one of the few stems with the /sʷ/ phoneme, the other important one being suādeō. Basically suāvis is supposed to have two syllables, as if swā-vis. Although maybe this is what you guys intended to begin with? Even if so, here's some more examples, for anyone reading this thread...
Ipse sed | in prā|tīs ari|ēs iam | suāve ru|bentī (Vergil, Eclogae 4.43)
suāvis et | in ter|rā ... (Lucretius, Dē Rērum Nātūrae 3.173)
saepe lĕ|vī som|num suā|dēbit i|nīre su|surrō (Vergil, Eclogae 1.55)
nōn dăre | suspec|tum'st: || pudor | est quī | suādĕat | illinc (Ovid, Metamorphōsēs 1.618)
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Re: Metrical anomaly
Yes. I saw that the OP had finally recognized that the anomaly was the hiatus, and I didn’t notice he’d retained his impossible foot-by-foot scansion, which breaks down before we even reach suave.
The sooner people get beyond this deadening and laborious procedure and just learn to read metrically, the better. It's not hard.
The sooner people get beyond this deadening and laborious procedure and just learn to read metrically, the better. It's not hard.
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Re: Metrical anomaly
Yes. I really dislike I was taught first about metre as a thing of just feet with arbitrary rules of syllable weight. As if the hexameter was just:
— u͞u | — u͞u | — u͞u | — u͞u | — uu | — x
But hexameters make so much more sense when you include the caesura, and read them rhythmically!
lucas20: The caesura is usually near the middle, right after the ictus (or occasionally ictus + light syllable). Sometimes the caesura is early in the 2nd foot, but balanced accompanied by a minor one in the 4th (vī superum, || saevae memorem || Jūnōnis ob īram). Being there, it is followed by one or two ictusless syllables, as if regaining energy for the ictus right after that (boldened below). It's actually musical!
Ab Jove prīncipium Mūsae: || Jovis omnia plēna;
ille colit terrās, || illī mea carmina cūrae.
Et mē Phoebus amat; || Phoebō sua semper apud mē
mūnera sunt laurī || et su̯āve rubēns hyacinthus.
https://vocaroo.com/183bPCzpW8Bb
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Re: Metrical anomaly
Aulus,
I’ll just say you’d do well to abandon “ictus.” The accents fall where they would in prose. They tend to clash with the metrical pattern in the first half of the verse and coincide with it towards the end.. Bashing the beat is ruinous.
I’ll just say you’d do well to abandon “ictus.” The accents fall where they would in prose. They tend to clash with the metrical pattern in the first half of the verse and coincide with it towards the end.. Bashing the beat is ruinous.
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Re: Metrical anomaly
Hey Aulus, thanks for your support man. I didnt' know of this property of sound 'Su' (Sw).
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Yes, i was having difficult with scansion because I start to study this now ( the book when i learnt the latin grammar dont' have good explanations and exercises of scansion). But now that i learnt to find the longs and shorts vowels I realize that it's better go right to poems than stay doing exercises of scansion without context. I'm actually reading Catullus, scanning and reading it aloud, and also memorizing. I found this site on internet, where there are the scansion and the pronunciation of the poems. So I hear it and after I pronounce it myself.I guess that’s how you learn to read metrically. http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/sc1.htmmwh wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:11 pm Yes. I saw that the OP had finally recognized that the anomaly was the hiatus, and I didn’t notice he’d retained his impossible foot-by-foot scansion, which breaks down before we even reach suave.
The sooner people get beyond this deadening and laborious procedure and just learn to read metrically, the better. It's not hard.